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Degree in golf management...

Posted by: user303554 | Sat 24th Sep 2011 22:16 | Last Reply

id be interested in anyones views on this...i have a foundation degree in business management and would give a lot of time or money to work withihn the golf industry..i love everythiong about the game from the most basic to exclusive courses, the players, the etiquette, ther equipmentr to the basic social it offers...

i have been offerd to do a  BA hons golf management by the highlands university..i can complete this remotely and am funding it myself, it will be 2 years top up to my business foundation and will cost in region of 2k total....the course covers player management / faci;lity management / evenemt management etc.....it covers many things including equality in the game and looks at structures within regulatory bodies around the world, golf tourism, golf and the environment, junior golf coaching, course design amongst other things...

i have 13 years experience and 10 within  lower / middle management, i see this 2 year course as a real opportunity to give me some tangible, supported knowledge of the industry and beleive it to be a serious route to gain employment in the golf industry at the level i need too to maintain my commiutments and support my family...has anyone done anything similar??

re: Degree in golf management...
user303554
Reply : Sat 24th Sep 2011 22:59

ivan im typing on a chatboard, balancing my laptop on my knees so as not to wake my 4 month old daughter up with the light....to return comment bold and underlined type is deemed as rude..furthermore words such as "appalling" and your comment "Do you personally believe such to be acceptable for someone hoping to secure" would be seen to be a contradiction of your attempt to not cause offence..appalling is inflamatory in the context you have used it....yuor response and pointing of errors was slightly hypocritical??

im not offended but disapointed, this happens a lot on the forum, ive seen people ask for opinion to be shot down over something totally irrelevant....im not courting potential employers, im on a public site seeking opinion...i think its ridiculous to touch on my credibility from a forum post???..i dont take offence but with respect i think your point is slightly irrelevant and not needed, i dont see the need for negativity but maybe you feel you are wising me up??...im asking for opinion not a job, please see the forum as my release from the shackles of a professional life...my spulling and p,inctuation is of the highest standard when it is required to be 

when i asked about similar it was open, if anyone has knowledge or has completed the course that would be great..but I would certainly welcome examples of other peoples commitment to getting where they want to go,...as it happens my father in law is a management consultant and is lookinmg for golfers to talk at seminars regarding performance and triumph over adversity...i digress..

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Last edit : Sat 24th Sep 2011 23:48
re: Degree in golf management...
user303554
Reply : Sun 25th Sep 2011 09:28

ivan,

fair play and thankyou for the response.    Ill explain more my response.

im currently employed I just wish to make the switch..im currently a resource / recruitment manager for a rail engineering contractor.  I agree with your comments about people with no clue being responsible for others futures, it can be frustrating and can damage pride.  Ive seen this many times.  Im very honest with candidates, telling many immediately there isnt a future with us, regardless how much this offends them.  My point on my write up was that I see the board as casual and just wished to gauge opinion, i dont give much regard to spelling and punctuation in such arenas..

I have recently set up an initiative with the job centre as part of the new "get britain working" policy of the dwp.  Through this we get the unemployed qualified for the rail industry and assure them of a minimum of 1 months actual experience, 90% that pass gain employment, the railway has a skills shortage and these people want work (some dont which is very disapointing, some guys refuse roles as their benefits and housing give thenm nearly as much!! ).  Ive sat through hundreds of interviews for employed and unemployed and am quite proud of how ive come to select my most recent 12 potential employees, matter of fact they are currently my desktop background.  Ive given opportunity to priviliged and less priviliged alike based on merit...

anyway..my job can be very enjoyable but very unenjoyable due to politics / structures / power struggles and the volatile, safety critical market in which we operrate in.  Golf is my passion hence my desire to do something about it.


Last edit : Sun 25th Sep 2011 09:35
re: Degree in golf management...
user303554
Reply : Sun 25th Sep 2011 09:33

also the larger companies operate via key words etc..i had a friend apply at 02..he was rejected through this...he was a top earning national sales guy but poor systems meant he didt get through....the smaller ones tend not to as you would expect...cvs should always be basic...ihowever  find that cvs are not the best picture of a person and try to speak to as many as possible that submit to gain a clearer picture...cv bashing is poor recruitment and selection.....and as you say age discrimintaion is illelgal...the one area i excelled in my business degree was employment law i was proud to get a distinction...if you are ever looking workwise im on linked in..http://www.linkedin.com/in/gavinjohnson9 

i understand your approach given your experience, ive had to tell ex offenders their attitude is poor..

re: Degree in golf management...
user202037 [FORUM MODERATOR]
Reply : Sun 25th Sep 2011 17:35

The Golf Industry is strange; if not unique; as against the majority of other industries. There are more Golf Experts out there without a 'piece of paper' than with.

A great deal of Golf Knowledge to gained while partaking in a Passtime rather than attending a Course.

Over the years I have had discussions with many people who should have had a great deal more knowledge than they did with the so called 'qualifications' they held.

It is a sad thing today that a persons future is not controlled by what they know, but what a piece of paper says they know.

Some years ago I interviewed for a 'Delivery Driver'.

I was asked "What experience I had"

"I worked for five years as a Driver with the Emergency Doctors Out of Hours Service".

"That's not the same" I was told.

What is the difference between taking a Parcel and a Person to an address?

TheLyth

re: Degree in golf management...
user303554
Reply : Sun 25th Sep 2011 22:21

hi dave, as with ivan, for me you met and dealt with poor quality professionals..if anything youd be overqualified froma  responsibilty point of view....i accept the stereotype but theres many good ones too...i dont personally beleive qualifications riule in all industries..not in my experience anyway..as ivan says some firms have keywords and standard criteria, the people carrying out the rules dont have the desire nor aptitude to question it..many companies have success via this standardised route and they beleive the process is more cost effective...it may be for one role but nt for another in my opinion.....,.....one size fits all can be cheaper in direct cost but when  you delve and consider impact of motivated , more suitable candidates to the biusiness over time the impact is tenfold.. ....quality is free and more firms would benefit from this thinking...

anyway....i accept what your saying with golf..problem is im not a golf expert,.,.,,im just a hardworking, committed and conscientious individual that has a real passion for it and wants to get into the industry...if you consider what you said about not being suitable with expoerience..how is it then fair that I cant get a chance in golf because i go for a qulaification to make up fr what i lack in exp ??  i cant wake up with 20 years exp but i can go and learn what i can, read around and try to build on my experience through voluntary involvement...i play with different people all over and read up when i can..this is what i see as most suitable route..id welcome others...

ivan, i sent you my public profile so hopefully all can see the info i choose to show.... contact me on [email protected] ill give you my work address from there...ive just seen your address...ill email you from work address now

re: Degree in golf management...
user410273
Reply : Sun 25th Sep 2011 22:44

Gavin, whilst I can't really help with anything concrete in the golf industry I cna see a trend towards more clubs having businees managers reporting through the club sec to the mgt committees. Also the growth in owner's clubs had lead to busniess mgrs being required to run them. So yes, it is a growing opportunity but in the scale of numbers of jobs available in quite a small industry you would need a USP to be noticed.

That said, if you have the intellect, which you do appear to have, and the passion for it I'd say give it a go. "Your only regrets in life should be for the things you've done, not the things you haven't done."

As to the comments about qualifications are the be all and end all. I've been interviewing for too many years now I guess. For me, from putting out the ad to sitting down for the first interview, I have to sift through anything up to 150 candidates. The qualification get them over the first hurdle, and then after that its their experience and just what sort of person they are that gets them the job. Yes there are people out there who are good people without the qualification but just how does anyone differentiate between them and someone who is clueless? They both have a blank on their CV.


Last edit : Sun 25th Sep 2011 22:47
re: Degree in golf management...
user303554
Reply : Sun 25th Sep 2011 22:54

thanks for the comments brian...and i see that path maybe being an option with larger facilities but again accept that there are many people wishing to do the same...i agree with your last comment if you have 100 for an admin job what is the standard to start from...if 50 have quals relevant i guess you go there...if the role is more senior or safety critical at least a process of conversations or aptitude tests should be considered even if this takes time..the time and cost of training and poor recruitment that gets the wrong person is treble what it ewould be to get it right..i say reduce the risk at the front end wherever possible (perfect world..ahhh )., i think however the job role should dictate the approach, horses for courses.. if you need a chartered engineer then they must be chartered, fair one....however prince 2 is a project managment qualification..many project managers do not have this and are better than the guys that do through their common sense and approach ..it is hard but the role should dictate the method for recruitment and selection.


Last edit : Sun 25th Sep 2011 22:56
re: Degree in golf management...
user410273
Reply : Sun 25th Sep 2011 23:03

totally agree Gavin, the role does dictate the recruitment method and selection. It costs me £150k to train an engineer on our equipment, and our selection process, once they get to interview stage is practical and written plus several interviews whereas if its an admin assistant...

re: Degree in golf management...
user202037 [FORUM MODERATOR]
Reply : Mon 26th Sep 2011 00:12

It is strange that at many Golf Clubs across the land, a Member (Greens Chairman) will dictate what the Committee wants to the Greens-Staff, when the Head Greenkeeper is the most qualified to make these decisions.

TheLyth

re: Degree in golf management...
user52922
Reply : Mon 26th Sep 2011 09:15

So right, David, we have about 650 of them in the House of Commons, some of whom are given briefs that they have no knowledge of at all. Just make it up as they go along.


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