7100 yds

I am due to play in the S W qualifier off blue tees I believe @ 7100yds.

"This will sort the men from the boys"

Who will have the advantage on a course of this length over the normal 6000yds.

The high, the low or the mid handicapper?

The low handicapper I would think, although the low handicapper would have the advantage on the short course too, wouldn't they?

Dave CAC handed Geordie.

 

Last year London/south was played from the whites, at the end of the day as long as all players play from the same tees does it matter which ones are used? 

I have to agree with Wayne, all the qualifiers should be played off the same tees - would have thought that would be white or yellow for these ones.

Otherwise you will get a qualifier in the SW played off the blues - advantage to lower handicappers and perhaps one in the North played off yellows which will give people with a higher handicap more of a chance!

(not saying that the golf in the North is easier   )

Interesting responses to this thread, regarding whether or not it is harder or easier for different levels of skill when playing from the different tees.

My club plays every competition off the white tees, the back tees, which I feel gives me an advantage over the better players. Why? because playing the course at its longest makes it more difficult for the better players to hit greens in regulation figures, whereas someone like me, who very rarely hits a green in regulation figures has no difficulty in hitting the green with the extra shot. This is very noticeable on our par fives which are very long. I need four shots whether I play off the yellows or whites.

Mind you, if I were allowed to play off the reds then it would be a different ball game for me.

Stndardising the tees throughout the whole of the Golfshake qualifiers countrywide will have no bearing on the results.

The SW qualifier is being held at South Winchester and te course is way too long for me to be competitive, so I will not be entering there. Looking like I will have to travel a lot further to find a course that suits me better, though if we could qualify by playing more than one venue it would certainly help the organisers to get the strength of fields they are looking for. Still no decision been made on this yet even though the poll was responsive to the idea.

Quote -

"Real men can have a crack at both  "

 

Plus Wokefield is only 90 yards shorter!!  

Surely this is the same argument that I put forward about people being able to qualify in as many qualifiers as possible (until / if they qualify). It's an advantage that some players won't / can't have?

As Dave said some courses won't have much of a difference of the back tees anyway.

John, why is it an advantage being able to play in more qualifiers than others? Surely thats the way it goes with regards to qualifying?

Its a different argument to playing of a different set of tees for qualifyers to the same event - it should be standardised!

The only advantage is more chances to qualify over those who can only play in one event.

All this does is reduce the potential fields.

Dennis, Let's assume player A enters 6 qualifiers & qualifies on his 6th attempt. He is able to do this due to loads of free time & spare cash. Player B can only enter 1, due to time & cash flow, & fails to qualify. So in odds terms player A had a 1 in 6 chance where player B had a 1 in 1 chance! With regards to tees surely if everyone plays off the same on that day in the same qualifier then its fair? If you don't fancy the back tees then why not enter one which is off the yellows?

I feel you are missing the point, John. The more encouragement that is offered to players to participate in as many events as they can possibly manage is to ensure that the organiser gets a good turnout for his event, plus of course another chance to qualify. They will be paying considerable sums of money to play at extra venues with the cost of the tournament plus traveling expenses, like I did last year to play in the East Midlands event with no chance of qualifying. Hotel, cost of entry and traveling costs were pretty substantial and should be worthy of a chance to qualfy.

It  appears that we have voted for multiple qualifying unless 1&2 have formed a coalition and ousted 4 

Is the Queen Darren aware of this??

  No: 23%


Yes, but if they qualify they cannot be classed as a qualifier in another: 17%


Yes, but must state which is their "qualifier" and the others are friendlies: 23%


Yes, each event provides chance to qualify ie multiple chances: 36%

John, that is my point those that can afford hotels, travel & multiple entrys have an advantage over those that can't. So if were talking about everything being 'fair' then it can't be really can it? When qualifying for the Open are players allowed multiple attempts?

We are not talking about "The Open" are we.

Forget I mentioned it. I will not be entering any this year.

John, people were comparing pro tournaments to ours when questioning different tees that is why I made the comment about the Open. It would be a shame if you didn't enter any, please don't take any of my comments personally. I was merely pointing out that if people want to cite fairness in an argument they must look at it from all perspectives.

It might be difficult to play in more than one quallifier for "The Open" as they are all played on the same date.

There is a counter point to your point JF and that is the bigger the entry the more places to qualify become available.

David, I think we all know that in this game anyone can play badly one week & then have a blinder the next.

One thing we need to do here is get people playing golf, so I voted to allow people to have as many attempts to qualify as they want to.

In an ideal world all the qualifiers would be played on courses with roughly the same distance and difficulty, but we all know this is not possible.  I see no reason why it matters if one qualifier is played off the championship tees and another one is played off the yellow tees, each person on the day will be playing from the same tee.

Looking at it like this, means the people who played off the championship should have an advantage when they play in the final, as they qualified on what should be the harder tees.

Russ

Russ, ne also has to take into consideration the flaws in the SSS and handicap system adopted in this country.

I am a 16 handicapper at Sherfield Oaks and I know damn well that if I were a member at South Winchester, Donnington Grove or Wokefield Park that I would probabaly be about 22 handicap, but if I enter the SW comp my handicap is not raised to account for the difficulty of that course to me so in effect I am at a disadvantage  when compared to a player who plays at courses of this nature as we found out at Donnington Grove last year. I played with the winner and we were off the same handicap and the difference between us was vast. He struck the ball as well as David Ley who was also in our group.

Is it a Stableford competition? If it is then the high handicapper has the advantage

Paul

Is this for the same reason that John gave earlier in the thread?

Dave CAC handed Geordie.

I may end up picking up the mantle for organising the West Mids qualifier.  If I do, I will pick a course that is similar in style and length to Wychwood, the final venue.  I will do this because the players that qualify will be most likely to be suited to this kind of course and therefore have a decent chance.  I will do this because as organiser I will want the qualifiers from my region to do well. 

Last year at Wychwood, we went off the yellows.  I expect that it will be the same this year.  Therefore, my qualifier will be played off the yellows.  Whilst I applaud Dave Marshall for playing his qualifier of the blues to ensure the best players go through (although I am not looking forward to playing off them!), this may preclude some players who would play well off the yellows at Wychwood from qualifying.  Having played the course, I'm sure John Pettitt would score well, but I know he would find the yardage of the bluee tees of South Wincester a disadvantage.  

This is just my opinion.  I'm not saying it is right or wrong, just what I think

Absolutely, I think everyone has a valid point on this thread and I can see both sides of the coin

However, I know I wouldn't enter an event and pay all that money if I couldn't even qualify - if this is what is adopted, I feel it would be bad for the event overall with a reduced field in some qualifiers.

Unfortunately I have not been able to take part in one as yet anyway so my opinion may not even matter (this year)

I think that one major point is being missed here. These Events are not put on simply as a qualifying Event, they are Events where the winner qualifies. A big difference.

TheLyth

Not really Dave, although high handicappers don't have to reach the green in regulation like John stated. Its that stableford should be played 3/4 handicap so playing off my club hcap of 10, I should get 8 shots, where someone playing off 28 should get 21 shots. So a 28 handicapper has an advantage of 5 shots over me straight away.

 

Forgive me for sounding thick Paul but if stableford should be played off 3/4 handicap, why is it not? In my society we play stableford at full handicap and it seems fair. Am I missing something?

This thread was meant as a general opinion of who is suited to the longer courses and it seems to have opened a can of worms. I couldn,t get my head around who gets an advantage on long or short courses. Johns reasoning makes complete sense ( as he usually does ). I'm just looking forward to it weather its 7100 yds or 5463 yds.

Cheers Dave CAC handed Geordie.

Stableford used to be 7/8ths but things may have altered now.

David, no matter what tees we play off at South Winchester, you will not be disappointed with the course. It is an extremely good test of golf no matter what tees we play off. The greens are usually nice and fast but very true. A lot of long par fours which really do test you. It is basically an inland links style course.

In response to the original thread, I do not think there is a stock answer.  Myself and John Pettitt would be a fine example of this.

I slog the ball a mile and my short game is poor hence the handicap.

JP has lost distance with age but his short game remains that of a single figure player.

It really depends on the characteristics of how the handicap is achieved rather than the handicap itself.

JP - sorry for using you as an example but I think it helps to make my point.

In summary, I tend to do well on the longer courses!!

Absolutley right David (Marshall). Getting back to the length of courses topic, I know plenty of short courses I find more difficult than courses up to 1000 yards longer

 

Every society game I've played in is always full hcap stableford (Dave Patrick) and why not? Society games are just that, social and friendly.  

John

You say South Winchester is like an inland links. That shoul suit me as I tend to punch the ball low with a bit of roll. 300 yds with an 8 iron. Maybe not! But i,m deinitly looking forward to it.

Dave CAC handed Geordie.

David P,

Why don't you come down to South Winchester, next friday for the warm up game. You would be very welcome.

John Ive seen the game but at the moment too busy to get a weekday off. Would love to have a preview game before the qualifyer. As I always find that a great help than playing for the 1st time.

Cheers Anyway

Dave CAC handed Geordie.