9th Hole option on Scorecards

I think it would be a good idea to give the option to record a 9 hole round for score tracking. this would help to maintain a more accurate recording.

Not in my opinion, Conor. The game is played over 18 holes, not nine.

I quite often have two halves of golf poles apart from each other and if I were to submit the best nine I would sometimes be in single figures.

I think Darren is working on this, but they won't count for your handicap. 

I agree with you John as regards different 9's.  You saw it with me last time we played the Wellington.  I was 6 over for the front and 20 over for the back. 

A perfect example of what can happen in this wonderful game, Chris. The 9 on the par 3 did not help you though.

That was a different game John.  It was the ten on the tenth killed me. 

John, what about Juniors ?  surely this is a great way to introduce youngest into the game.

Our Club allows juniors to get a Club Hcp (for Horsforth only) on 9holes and takes their Hcp way up above 28 too. One 9yr old is off 68 (34x2).

TheLyth

David, I was under the assupmtion that the Junior maximum was 54 ? giving them 3 shots per hole ?  this is what I do on golfshake

That was a different game John.  It was the ten on the tenth killed me. 

That was on the Waterloo then, Chris, I remember it well.

What about juniors you say, Darren. Well last Monday we had the pleasure of a 13 year old junior playing in our Seniors roll-up, off a handicap of 25. He was pint sized, skinny as a rake and carried his own bag (What a good boy).

Questions were raised by some. after he came in with 49 points having just gone round the Waterloo in 81 strokes.

The sad thing about this is that this particulart youngster will not be cut by the club for this round, although the roll-up has cut him six shots.

I have no objections to juniors getting handicaps, just that it is rather unfair to normal players when this kind of thing happens, apparently it is not the first time with this young lad.

John, I was referring to Juniors playing only 9 holes when being introducted to the game.

He must be a talented youngster John.  To be fair, it's not the lad's fault if the club won't cut him.  I'm sure he'd rather be playing off 12 than 25. 

There will be a lot of juniors with better ability than their Hcp suggests by the time September comes around.

We had three Juniors playing in the "Clutch" this morning, none won money though, they are not allowed to.

Darren, the Junior Section at Horsforth give all children a chance to compete, the girls can even get an 'Official Hcp' by playing 18holes in sections.

TheLyth

Of course he is talented, Chris and it is great to see. We have many excellent young players at our club.

We don't normally come into contact with them as they have their own agenda under normal circumstances, but I feel that the club is not really doing him any good at all by not accepting  this particular card, played off the whites, as a card for handicap purposes.

Darren, I understand your argument, but why would they insist on having a handicap when they are only playing nine holes. They do not need to be competitive at that age.

David L, we have a very upmarket private school right alongside the course and the school promotes golf as one of its core sporting activities, which means we have many fine players of a tender age, and it is good to see.

John,  firstly I'm not having a argument it was merely a question in relation to your comment so that we could discuss.  Secondly, the post was about score tracking 9 hole rounds, and you said the game was to be played over 18 and not 9 holes, and nothing to do with handicaps.

Appreciate I have later chipped in with a comment to David L about max junior handicaps.

If I change the word 'argument' to 'point of view' you will realise that I was not having a dig at you, Darren. I used the word argument to state your position, nothing sinister at all.

Who am I to stop anyone from scoretracking their nine hole games, I was just pointing out that te game of golf is an 18 hole game and any score counted over a lesser number of holes is completely irrelevant to any form of handicap.

All threads at some time or other drift off the topic and nothing will ever change that.

I think that a large number of courses where it is possible to play 9holes and end up back at the Clubhouse will have "Special" 9hole Events.

Roundhay GC (a 9hole Muni) used to hold 'Dashes' on many evenings. It was funny that all Odd Hcp golfers used to get upperty when it was suggested it was played over the Back9.

TheLyth

I don't think anyone would have an argument about nine hole events, David, just that I feel they cannot possibly be used to adjust handicaps.

John, agreed. Fully concur regarding 18 holes, the game and handicaps.   I was just referring to the original post around 9 holes rounds and how juniors may use the route to get into the game.

Conor, you can do it now if there is a 9 hole course set up for a particulr course.  I will add this functionality soon.

Then it is agreed, your Hcp should not be adjusted on a 9hole score. But the jury is still out wether it is OK to use two seperate 9hole scores added together for Hcp?

TheLyth

David, how can you bring that up

I can't see how you can but CONGU have introduced a ruling which clubs can use at their discretion, again think aimed at introducing people to golf and juniors.

Evidence from golf clubs indicates that a significant number of Members, due to increasing demands in their working and family life for example, are unable to play 18 hole Qualifying Competitions frequently enough to establish and maintain a handicap representative of their potential ability.

s there is no desire to change the traditional way in which competitive golf is played i.e. over 18 holes, the number of Nine-Hole competitions is restricted.

http://www.congu.com/template1.asp?pid=227

This is the note on junior golf handicaps about 28/36 :

[HANDICAPPING JUNIORS BEFORE THEIR ABILITY WARRANTS A FULL CONGU® HANDICAP]

Handicaps in the range 29 to 54 [37 to 54] may be allotted as Club Handicaps to those juniors not capable of playing to a handicap of 28 [36] or less.

I think they are going the wrong way about this. If the maximum handicap is 28 then until one can play to that they cannot possibly have a handicap.

The only solution I would consider, as an option, would be to reassess the SSS of the course especially for juniors, by making the par 1 stroke a hole more than it is. They could then have 28 handicaps playing at a course with a par of 90.

I firmly believe that seniors. like myself, should have special tees to level the playing field. There is not one par five on the Wellington that I can possibly reach in three shots, so in actual fact par for these holes is 6 for me.

I don't see how reassessng the SSS for juniors is any different to giving them a different handicap John.  It's just a different way to reach the same end. 

As regards differnet tees, some clubs have green tees for juniors, but I don't know about seniors.  Either way, your pride wouldn't allow you to play from forward tees.  You insist on playing off the whites against me depsite complaining about how far I can hit the ball. 

John,

That would then give you a 6 nett 5 and a Par? so playing to your present Hcp.

TheLyth

Darren,

That is very interesting. The use of a "neutral" nine as against playing both 9's over a couple of days.

In relation to Junior Hcp's, are they suggestions/recomendations rather than the Rule?

TheLyth

Lyth, I agree that is playing to my current handicap, but pars are allocated on length, generally, so I am at a disadvanage if I cannot reach a green in regulation figures.

It is length that is making this game difficult for me, even two excellent shots do not reach many greens now.

Chris, I have been beaten more times than I have won in this game and I would be the first one to congratulate you on a round that stuffed me well and truly. You are certainly capable of it and have had opportunities to do so.

David, yes I believe suggestions rather than a set ruling which is similar to the 9 hole scenario.

Either way, your pride wouldn't allow you to play from forward tees.  You insist on playing off the whites against me depsite complaining about how far I can hit the ball. 

Chris, it is to my advantage to play from the whites as it makes it more difficult for you to hit greens in regulation as opposed to me who takes an extra shot anyway.

I know you hit the ball a long way but your handicap suggests that you do not hit that many in regulation, so the whites are to my advantage.

I'm currently using a 9 hole course, but playing 18 holes for my handicap.

I've also got the course set as a 9 hole so that I can track the 2 rounds to compare each 9 with my other 9 hole games (when I'm time limited).

I'm then able to see how I perform on each hole (twice on the 18 hole cards).

Am I always in the pond on the 2nd (Answer - Yes). Can I improve on the 1st/10th (Answer - Yes).  Where am I always 3 putting etc.

Sandra

Conor,

Just put the Card in as a 9 Hole. Then you can record everything.

My news is that I'm actually managed to play 18 holes and miss the Pond on the 2nd both times.  Yippee!!

Paul,

I agree and would only expect 18 Holes to be counted for Handicap Calculation purposes.

I'll only use the 9 Hole option to track my improvement and possible areas of improvement on my Main Course.

When I'm able to (Have the Spare Money) I'll be joining a Club and will be moving my course so don't expect this option to be available for me.  Whilst I'm improving my game (Now back to my Old Handicap before I stopped playing) I'll continue with my current method of tracking on my main course.

Sandra