WEST MIDLANDS QUALIFIER RESULTS

Yesterday we had all 32 golfers turn up, for a great day out. As i do not have the cards i cannot post the exact results. No one managed to play to their handicap, But 35 points was enough to win both categories.

CATAGORY 1:

WINNER- Peter Deeming.

Runner up- Alan Davison.

CATAGORY 2:

WINNER- David Sidwell.

Runner up- Gerry Wilde.

Please note: Gerry Wilde is unfortunately on holiday on the 19Th September, so is place in the final has been passed down to STEVE JOHNSON who claimed 3rd place.

Highest scoring Non-qualifier: John Pettitt.

Nearest the Pin: Gerry Wilde.

Longest drive: Phil Eadsforth(306yd drive)

Lowest par 5 gross score: Dave Ley (29 over 5 par 5's).

Wooden spoon when to Martin Driscoll with 17 points.

We had some great drama to finish with a sweep stake for the amount of balls lost on the 18Th hole island green par3. After a re-count confirming 30 balls we're lost with ten of those from the last group(Martin Driscoll putting 5 in the drink)

Due to Chris Perry having the cards I'm posting the results from memory so apologies for any mistakes made.

Thanks to Chris for helping on the day, Thanks to all of you for turning up and making yesterday a very enjoyable day.

Paul.

Well done Paul.  Looks like it was a great day. Phil didn't waste much time phoning me to tell me what a good day it was and how he won longest drive!

Chris, let me know when you have scores so I can upload.

Regards, Darren.

Nearest the Ear comp went to Tim Hawkins who managed to actually hit the left ear of our  own Golfshake Cheer leader Rosa. This occurred after a violent shank by Tim which hit JP's buggy and ricocheted towards Rosa ,at first we thought there was a split but after examining the ball it was fine and play continued. Tim

You're a brave man pointing out that someone shanked a ball Mr Ley..........

I think that's where i caught the disease it's Tims fault

Having had a few himself, yesterday, Chris, he instantly recognised one when Tim did one.

K Shearsby hit 306 yards on the longest drive (2nd) - I am realiably informed that Phil thumped it way past the marker!!!  Must have been some hit!

This is the reason Drug testing has been brought in David.........Phil , we require P#ss in a bottle please. Some say us lot don't require drugs we are dopey enough. High Hcps shouldn't be allowed in the long drive comp it's morally wrong.

They were shanks performed expertly though Paul I will be cured by tomorrow going now my Phil Micks Short gme DVD's just arrived I will revue for you all later although have read  great reveiws on it already. Only wish it arrived before West Mids..

Forget Swine Flu, the shanks were being caught by lot's of people yesterday. Everytime I had 100yrds or less the dreaded S word came out. I may have cured it though by drinking a very large bottle of pear cider when I got home!

Many apologies having to shoot off so suddenly yesterday and not doing the presentation pics, slight family crisis that I had to attend to.

Great day Paul, I had an enjoyable round but was slightly disappointed with my score in places - 30yds short of the green in 2 at the 12th and carding a 9 springs to mind - but pinging a 4 iron to within 8ft of the pin on the 11th helped.

And the shank that got Rosa - what can I say - sorry!  Takes something to hit the steering wheel on a buggy when it's only 10yds away at an angle of 45deg.  The moral is that even hiding behind a buggy isn't safe when I'm out there.  To be fair it was my first (and only) shank of the day, I thought that was what you were meant to do as the more experienced Perry and Ley had been at it from the start of the round!

Camera has been requisitioned for a few hours today, will get the pics up later and we can play spot the ball (clue - chances are it's on it's way to the water) 

If it's a pic of Dave Ley it could be on it's way to the bushes to the right of the water.......

C'mon Chris, I didn't have a wide angle lens on the camera, couldn't have got the green, Daves backside and the complete clubhouse in one shot!

LMAO Tim!

You may find that as Rosa had your camera there are a few, erm, random pictures......

The one of the four of us mooning at Floody?

i hope there's no topless photo's?? or more disturbing John P stripped to reveal he'd been wearing shorts all day!!

hi Guy's, i would just like to echo Dave Knatt's, well done to Paul for putting on a first class event. Although i have phoned Paul and thanked him. Like Dave, just wanted to thank him via the forum, so welldone Paul.

Also, thanks to Chris for the entertainment and an almost faultless presentation!! well done mate.

On the topic of Mr Ley and the 18th, I just wish I could have been sitting there having a beer watching Dave use the 18th as a wishing-well. Instead, I had to stand on the 18th tee looking across at that large expanse of water, thinking, God That's A long Way,  with knees a trembling I adopted my address, only to hear Mr Ley call out,

"use yer 3 Wood", so with a deep breath and swoosh, lady luck smiled on me, time to relax and join the lads. 

Thanks again Paul, great fun. 

Paul manaaged to get the pics - any idea where I upload them - I don't seem to be able to access the W. Mids group

I'm glad that you had a good day.

Russ

Try this for Dave's which he's uploaded to his profile

http://www.golfshake.com/user/media/25087/

Paul, Chris, thanks for a great day, still can't believe i managed to sneak through.

Come on Tim, get them pictures up. I could do with a laugh today and i think seeing all those balls flying off at funny angles on the 18th will do the trick

Photos are all up on events page....

Dodgy hips and elbow,   hmmmmmmmmmm  

You noticed how I had collapsed then Darren, I did get on the green though.

It was just because he'd hit the couple under the umbrella in the distance....

Where is the events page, Tim? please.

Cheers for putting the photos up Tim, must have took you ages on photo shop to get me looking that good!!!

John, if you click on Tims profile and then onto media, you can see the photos.

Should be able to find the photos here http://www.golfshake.com/society/groupMedia.php

Must be losing my touch, can only find a couple with the ball on it.

Anyone wanting a high res pic e-mailing let me know by PM (tell me which picture(s) though). 

PS  don't know why, but for some reason thay have loaded in the wrong order.  Have asked for guru support for answers! 

Thanks, David.

Paul, Chris - Thanks again for organising a top day.

Standing on the 18th tee all I had to do was find the green and 3 putt to win outright.  I now realise how Poulter and Montgomerie feel - Bloody photographers.  Got to blame someone for finding the pond Tim lol!!! On a serious note well done Tim top photo's.

Also was a pleasure to play with Steve, Dave & Dave thanks guys for making up a great fourball.

As it was qualified through the back door - Thanks Gerry enjoy your holiday.

Steve - was just wondering how long it would be before someone came up with that one!  It really is a cracking hole to finish on, if there was grass there no-one would notice.  Even JP celebrated (see above) getting on it - or was that one of hips collapsing....

That was my Tiger Woods victory impression. Tim.

John - How true, it was the only shot I scuffed all day, thats golf all over!!  90% in the mind.

Scores have now been uploaded and can be accessed via the link below.  For the purpose of scoring, if a blob was recorded then a 10 has been used as your score for that hole, which may be generous of some of you after your performances on the 18th! .  Obviously this will skew some strokeplay results so the cards will not count towards your handicap.  The only card I can't add is Martin Driscoll's as he he needs to change his status to 'confirmed' on the comp, although there may be a good reason why he hasn't done this. 

http://www.golfshake.com/golf/view/766/scores/

Chris,

the name 'Perry' doesn't seem to go with golf

Can we have an extra qualifier as other regions have & would I take that spot if we did??

John, If you mean Ray, he didn't complete the round as he retired part way around. His card was not included in the final results.

The scores are wrong on all accounts, Chris. I wouldd not have scored 34 points going round in 104.

Per my note above, John: -

"For the purpose of scoring, if a blob was recorded then a 10 has been used as your score for that hole"

I did also say that the strokeplay would be skewed and that's why I haven't applied them to people's handicaps.

Utterly ridiculous attempting to put scores to a stableford competition. I scored 34 points which is two over my handicap of 17, so the score should have been 89.

John, you are quite right. Recording a 10 is not right. If any scores were to be entered  then they should be no worse than a net double bogey which would be correct for stableford points.

However, as you know under CONGU all scores over double bogey are limited to a gross double.

So when a scores are entered  the system will calculate a handicap adjustment if applicable based on all scores over double bogey to be a double bogey.

Chris, what this means is that whatever happens handicaps can still adjusted whether or not you put in a 10, 20 or 6.

Martin, try refreshing your browser again, you might get your point across then

Martin - I have deleted your four repeat posts.

The system requires a score for every hole.  If I put in 0 or do not enter a score, it assumes you got the ball in the hole without hitting it.  By putting a 10, I am guaranteed that no-one will score a point where they shouldn't, regardless or par, handicap or stroke index.  This was a stableford comp, not strokeplay.  If anyone wanted to know their strokeplay score, they should have completed every hole. 

John - Yours is particularly skewed as you blobbed one of the par 3's and you took four blobs.  How do I know whether you would've taken a net double bogey or a net six over for each of these holes?  It is not true that you would have definitely scored 89 as there is no guarantee you would have done no worse than net double bogey on your four blobbed holes; consider what Dave Ley's score for the 18th would have been had we been playing strokeplay.  And if it is "Utterly ridiculous attempting to put scores to a stableford competition", why are you concerned about your strokeplay score?

In all honesty, I've got better things to do than to review all 54 blobs taken in the comp and calculate net double bogey with regards to handicap, strokes received, par and stroke index.  This was a stableford comp, the stableford scores are correct.  I will not be adjusting the cards. 

Im happy with mine Chris

Cmon Chris you did nothing else for the event

What do you know Floody, you went before you saw the results of my bit in case your missus found out you were playing golf

she knew about Sunday!

I heard you made the speech, centre of attention again!!

John - Yours is particularly skewed as you blobbed one of the par 3's and you took four blobs.  How do I know whether you would've taken a net double bogey or a net six over for each of these holes?  It is not true that you would have definitely scored 89 as there is no guarantee you would have done no worse than net double bogey on your four blobbed holes; consider what Dave Ley's score for the 18th would have been had we been playing strokeplay.  And if it is "Utterly ridiculous attempting to put scores to a stableford competition", why are you concerned about your strokeplay score?

You cannot just invent a score to suit you, once a player cannot score a point then he picks up and a blob is recorded. If you told me that we were playing a medal then I would have continued until I had finished the hole. This would have a given a score that you could have posted. The rubbish you have put up ius totally irrelevant anfd should be removed.

I think Chris is just trying to work with the system available.  My bad.

John,

As I said, I have to put in the number of strokes as the system calculates the stableford from it.  There is not the facility to put in the stableford score, you HAVE to put a strokeplay score in.  10 was used as it does not matter what the stroke index, player's handicap or par was, a point cannot be scored by a player with a 10.  The strokeplay score is irrelavant and is not being used for any purpose other than to calculate the stableford. 

The score was not 'invented' to suit me, a score was put in that allowed the system to work.  As you said, it's not a medal round and if it was you would have been disqualified for failing to complete all holes.  I cannot remove the'irrelevant' information as the system would report incorrect results if I did. 

Just ignore the number of strokes John.  It is an irrelevance and not worth getting wound up about.  Feel free to call me if you're that bothered about it. 

No Chris, you are showing I went round in 104 and that is not true by a long chalk, after all I finished one point behind the winner.

To confirm, there are plans to allow the system to record NR on holes and this is 90% complete and due for final testing soon which then alleviates this problem.

To put things simple and correctly.

Stableford is played for points and because of this handicaps can only be adjusted for those who have a score on each hole.

Medal rounds are strokeplay which, funny enough, is the object of the game, but now we have been cursed with the Stableford syndrone.

You tell them John

Not a question of telling them, John, this is a respected golf website and having that ridiculous score table on view to all and sundry will not enhance the websites credibility.

I can just imagine what some people have made of this already.

Paul, there is nowhere in the rules of golf that states that one can invent whatever score one wishes for a blob. A blob is a no score, simple as that and because the hole was not completed then it cannot possibly count for handicap purposes.

Using your analogy then a triple bogey could be a six , seven or eight depending on strokes received, not the allocation of 10 for each blob, just to satisfy the idiosyncrosies of the golfshake software.

If a job is worth doing, it is worth doing properly.

If it is solely a Golfshake thing then they are not conducting themselves in a professional manner for all and sundry to see.

I am now getting pi**ed off with this. I now have in my profile a round of 104 at West Mids that is all lies and I want it removed immediately, if not sooner.

It is ridiculous having people make up their own rules, then decide what I went round in and then post the results on open forum. Not a way to run a golf website in my opinion.

Chris should not have even attempted to get scores kisted when the competition was for stableford points.

It woul have been easy enouigh to list all the points scores for everyone without this charade. If it appears to be too difficult then I will do it.

I can see both points here.

John doesn't want a round containing incorrect strokes recorded for him regardless if included in handicap or not.

Chris needed to enter 'a score' to calculate a stableford score.

There is obvioulsy a gap in the sytem which Darren has spotted & is working on. The easiest interim solution would be to either not have the end strokes visible or have a couple of people manually check the cards at the end of the comp.

Paul, I don't know how Danny could have recorded one round let alone 2 as there were at least 3 holes that he didn't complete?

John.

bloddy hell guys if having a wrong score put against your name is the worst thing you have to deal with, then you haven't got a bad life.

without guys like Paul and Chris giving up their time to organise these events, we would all be missing out on a lot of great golfing days.

so once again thanks for a great day out lads.

Alan you've just opened a BIG can of worms

I'm not getting involved but I do agree that it would be a big improvement to the site if a blob could be entered as such and hence the round marked 'incomplete' or better still no stroke total recorded.  Something I've mentioned to DR a few times in the past.  Glad to see you are working on a fix D.

I can understand both sides of this debate and hope it can be amicably resolved without lasting resentment.

For information only, for those interested

Info on the CONGU golf club handicap system and the nett double bogey rule and holes with no score returned

http://www.congu.com/template2.asp?pid=50&parent=33&parent2=50

http://www.congu.com/template2.asp?pid=63&parent=38&parent2=63

Any hole in a Stableford Qualifying Competition upon which a player records no score and accordingly is not awarded any points indicates that the player would, if the hole had been completed, have scored not less than a nett double bogey.

Andy, main reason for this not being available to do is around the 'incomplete' rounds not being included in the stats.

John, you should be able to delete if you list all your rounds, found the round, tick the box and click the delete rounds button.

Regards, Darren.

OK, I've had enough.  Paul and I have given up our own time to make this happen (Paul more than me) with no personal gain (Paul is actually out of pocket).  I don't see why we (me in particular) should be taking this kind of abuse because of the way software we have no control over works. 

It was clearly stated that this was a Stableford comp
It was clearly stated that strokes were irrelevant
It was clearly stated that scores would be entered on Golfshake via the event software
I have had to "invent" scores because of the way the software works.  I used a score of 10 as I had neither the time nor the inclination to work out net double bogey for every blob in the comp.  The result would be the same - a strokeplay score that is "invented"
The system does not allow you to choose whether or not to display strokes

John, you could quite easily of carded one or more 10's and finished with the number of points you did; Peter Deeming carded a 9 and won his category.  Should I put a net double bogey for Dave Ley on the 18th?  He took 7 shots off the tee before he gave up.  Even if he holed out with his next one, he would've carded a 9, so by putting a 5 (net double) for him it would make his score wrong.  Same for Martin Driscoll who put 5 in the drink.  And given that you picked up on four holes, how do you KNOW that you would have only taken net double?  It could have been anything, even a 10. 

You're the only one that has a problem with this John and you're making a big deal out of something that does not matter and doesn't effect anything.  With regards to "just imagine what some people have made of this already", the only one that is creating an issue is you.  The cards have not been counted for handicap so it doesn't matter what was used for the strokes on holes that were blobbed (this is why I didn't link them to everyone's handicaps).  I appreciate that you don't agree with the way things have been done, but I have done what is most appropriate.  I'm afraid that you will have to accept that on this occaision you will not be getting your own way. 

As for organising comps, this was my third.  I don't do them for personal gain or accalaim, I do them because people enjoy them and it gives people a chance to meet like minded golfers.  However, if this is what I am going to have to put up with (personal attacks on an open forum from someone I thought had better manners and would have the decency to take it up with me off line) then I won't be doing any more.

Posted by DCarren Ramowski:

John, you should be able to delete if you list all your rounds, found the round, tick the box and click the delete rounds button.

Rounds entered by golfshake are locked and cannot be edited or deleted by me, only Admin can do this and I request that this is done please as soon as possible.

Chris, do you honestly belive that I wouyld stillbe plaing a hole once I cannot score a point, NO, it did not happen at the West Mids and I have never done it in my life. Once the chance of a score has been missed I pick up, like every other player should, so your argument about scoring ten is a red herring, and you know it.

I have not attacked you, just stated my thoughts on a ridiculous attempt to list the the points won by all those who attended the West Mids comp.

It is not my fault if you have felt the need to go on the defensive because you have made a mistake, which should have been corrected the minute I raised the issue.

I came up to support your event and enjoyed the day. Pity these ridculous scoring problems have caused all this trouble.

John, I did NOT make a mistake.  As I have stated many times before (and Darren has backed me up) I had to put a score in and I did what was appropriate.  There is no guarantee that you would have had a net double because as you have said you picked up once you can't score.  I don't know whether you picked up one inch or 100 yards from the hole, so by putting that in there would've been 'inventing' score as well.  If I had put in net double for you, you would have scored 92 (I took a few minutes to work it out on your card as you were so bothered about it). 

In fairiness John, the only reason this trouble has been caused is because you have got hung up about a strokeplay score that no-one else is bothered about and is not being used for anything. 

Chris, I am uptight about the score, because you are forgetting, quite conveniently that Stableford and Strokeplay are two completey diffenernt methods of scoring. Put the points down in order  by all means but please do not fabricase my score just because the software cannot cope with it.

I scored, in effect, 34 points in 14 holes which does not require much working out to discover that I was six under my handicap for those 14 holes.f you had gone by the CONGU rules of nett double bogey, then for the four holes where you put a 10 would have been three triples , as I had shots, and one doub;e where I had no shot - a total of 11 over par.

As I was six under for the 14 then with the 11 over for the 4 holes, I ended up five over my handicap in assessing strokes taken during the round. This effectively means that in the Stableford I played 2 over my handicap but in the strokeplay(Which should have not been computed in the first place) I played to 22 handicap.

I might also add that I was not taking part in the competition of the day, I was just a guest supporting your area.

I'm am not forgetting that strokeplay and stableford are two different methods of scoring John.  The system works out the stableford based on the strokeplay score, so you have to enter strokeplay scores to get the results.  I do not list the results, the system does it automatically so to get the results I had to put in strokeplay scores for every hole.  If I could display just the stableford scores I would, but that is not an option. 

The CONGU rules state "not less than a nett double bogey", so by putting in 10's I am in line with the CONGU rules. 

I have worked out your score by manually adding up the strokes you took on each hole then assuming a net double for each of your four blobs.  I did miss that one of those was on SI 18 so I put 7 where it should be 6.  That gives you a strokeplay score of 91, which means you played to 19.  But can you honestly say you would've taken a net double and not more for those four holes?  You were 3 off the tee on the SI 18 and picked up when you chipped on and would've quite likely two putted. 

At the end of the day John, whatever way you look at it you didn't finish the holes so any score put on your card for those holes is a guess.  The strokeplay score is not even being used for anything so in the overall scheme of things IT DOESN'T MATTER. 

This is all getting a bit out of hand. Stableford competitions CAN be counted towards handicap calculations as stated in the rules of CONGU posted by Darren above.

For the stableford points a NETT double bogey can be entered, thus giving the correct amount of points.

Under CONGU that NETT double bogey is changed to a GROSS double bogey and a handicap adjustment would be calculated accordingly.

So, Chris even if you did enter a 10 on a Par 4 for CONGU handicapping it would be reduced to a 6 anyway, so handicaps COULD and should be calculated.It also doesn'e really take that much time to calculate a nett double score for a "blobbed" hole.

PLease take the time to read the links that Darren has posted it give people an understanding of the calculation of handicaps.

This is why Stableford competions can be used for handicap adjustments when clearly a player who scored 44pts with a "Blob" on 1 hole, even though he may not have recorded a score for that hole under strokeplay, hasplayed under his handicap and a"Stableford points" adjustment is made.

To say that he shouldn't be adjusted just because he blobbed a hole and didn't post a score is why CONGU have made the rulings thay have.

Chris,

Irrespective of whether you think that the strokeplay score is being used for anything, you decided not to use the scores for handicap purposes. This is clearly the wrong stance to take as CONGU has the rules in place as stated above to deal with Stableford competiions.

Chris, you did a great on the day, as did Paul. I thoroughly enjoyed the game we had as well, but you know my views on the different formats this game is being played to. Stableford used to be a joke competition that one played once or twice a year. Now, it is the preferred scoring method as it allows for a faster game and enables players to still remain in the competition after a bad hole.

I don't think you appreciate the way I tackle this game depending on the format. Stableford allows one to be a bit cavalier as a bad hole is only a blob. Strokeplay has me thinking completely different and if I was scoring well in strokelay then I would not have attacked the S 18 hole in the same way as I did in the Stableford.

The difference between you and I Chris, is that at the end of the day I am not one little bit concerned about a score when I am playing for points. You seem to think the two should go together, when they don't.

If, in your words, the strokeplay DOES NOT MATTER, then why make an attempt to show it.

I realise that the software does not allow you to do this but it would have been far easier to have just listed the number of points scored for each individual without using it in the first place.

Martin,

It is not possible to use the scores for handicap because some of the players did not complete every hole.  Had everyone completed every hole then yes they could've been used.  As John P quite rightly said above "Stableford is played for points and because of this handicaps can only be adjusted for those who have a score on each hole."

There's enough debate about this already, please don't add to it, especially as you are unaffectted by it. 

All I asked was that this round be removed from my profile, it still has not been done.

"It is not possible to use the scores for handicap because some of the players did not complete every hole.  Had everyone completed every hole then yes they could've been used"

Chris, you are clearly wrong about the statement above. As previously stated you enter a NETT double bogey for stableford purposes and the CONGU system then reduces that score by 1 to a gross double bogey for handicap calculation.

You are right I am not directly affected by the result, however, if someone had scored 44pts with a blob and you decided that he shouldn't have his handicap adjusted because he didn't record a score on one hole that then does affect me if I was to play in a competition with that player.

He should have had a handicap adjustment under CONGU rules for the stableford competitions and therefore should be playing off a lower handicap accordingly.

Please take the time to read the CONGU rules about stableford handicap adjustments (Darren has posted the links) and you may have a better understanding why some people, myself included, make the argument for the adjustments so future competitions are contested fairly. That is why we have a handicapping system.

To unilaterally make the decision to not use the scores for handicapping purposes goes againts the rules of CONGU.

Martin,

Are you suggesting that John is also wrong then?  Highest score was 35 points, no-one would've been cut. 

Irrespective of the result, the correct procedures under the rules of CONGU should be adopted.

I'm sick of being hassled for this.  Get off my case.  I helped to organise the event for the good of the site and it's members.  I've had nothing but abuse for it. 

Some people need get off their high horses and realise that this is a golf community run by the members for the members, not a golf club run by the committee for the good of the club. 

I won't be posting to this thread again and won't be responding to any comments elsewhere about it.  If there are any further comments questioning my integrity I will remove the thread for my own protection and the good of the site and let Darren have the job of sifting through it before reinstating it. 

I am not suggesting John is wrong at all. With a stableford event a true strokeplay score cannot be ascertained when someone has a blob. John is correct in that regard.

In my opinion that is not the issue. Irrespective of what the final scores were and whether someone won with 35pts or 45pts CONGU should be applied.

But again the CONGU rules make allowances for that so as I have previously stated above you can:-

1. Accomodate the stableford comp by entering a NETT double bogey for 0pts.

2. By doing this you allow for handicaps to be adjusted because CONGU reduce to a GROSS double and the system than calculates

I really don't see the difficulty in following the above. It is hardly rocket science.

Stableford is a points format and not a strokeplay format. The competition was played off the yellows and no adjustment was made to the CSS for the day.

John, I've adjusted your scores to allow for nett double bogey thus giving you a 92 rather than 104.  I agree you did not have a actual full score so why should this show but this is how the system currently works and the same as used for other competitions.

If you don't want anyone to see your scores then feel free to block your rounds and also block your profile from the settings.  You have various levels you can set to allow just friends to see your scores/profile or block everyone if you are concerned about people seeing your playing history.

Martin/Chris, I'm not going to get into the discussion on the formats of golf but IMHO the scores should all count towards handicaps regardless if they are stroke player competitions or not and players adjusted accordingly. This is especially so given a lot of people on this site and who attend competitions are not club members so do not technically follow the strict handicap system adopted by the clubs and controlled by CONGU because they are not able to compete in club competitions.

So John said the same as me, but he's right and I'm wrong? 

As I said before, I have better things to do than work out net double for all 54 blobs to satisfy one competitor and someone who has had no involvement with the comp.  I can apply the handicap with the 10's in and it will round down and this will still be in line with CONGU as it staes "not less than a nett double bogey".  I didn't do it because I agree with John's statement that it's not possible unless every player finished every hole. 

Darren, thanks for altering the individual scores where necessary, but in my profile it is still showing 104. Can we change this to the 92 or delete the whole entry.

I don't wish my score to go up as it was a stableford competition and not a strokeplay event.